After listening to leaked audio of President Trump and White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows’ phone call with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, conservatives are betting that some explosive information is about to drop.
The phone call, which was leaked to the press, begins with President Trump getting straight to the point, discussing serious problems in the Georgia election.
“So we’ve spent a lot of time on this, and if we could just go over some of the numbers, I think it’s pretty clear that we won. We won very substantially in Georgia. You even see it by rally size, frankly. We’d be getting 25-30,000 people a rally, and the competition would get less than 100 people. And it never made sense,” the president said.
Trump then spoke in detail about evidence of fraud and irregularities in the election. “Brad, I think you agree with that, right?” the president asked after listing a few issues.
A common tactic to catch someone in a lie is to ask questions like “Are you sure?” or “You agree with that, right?” These questions often establish whether someone is willing to lie, or tell the truth.
President Trump repeatedly asks questions like this throughout the phone call, leading many conservatives to speculate that he has information that corroborates his allegations, and is trying to catch Raffensperger in a lie.
Near the end of the call, the president drops the hammer on the Georgia Secretary of State. Raffensperger is not doing his job, and Trump is not afraid to tell him that. There should be a full signature audit of all ballots in the state, because something isn’t right.
“It’s a disaster. Look. Here’s the problem. We can go through signature verification, and we’ll find hundreds of thousands of signatures, if you let us do it… But you didn’t do that in Cobb County. You just looked at one page compared to another. The only way you can do a signature verification is go from the one that signed it on November whatever. Recently. And compare it to two years ago, four years ago, six years ago, you know, or even one. And you’ll find that you have many different signatures. But in Fulton, where they dumped ballots, you will find that you have many that aren’t even signed and you have many that are forgeries,” President Trump said.
“And they’re going around playing you and laughing at you behind your back, Brad, whether you know it or not, they’re laughing at you. And you’ve taken a state that’s a Republican state, and you’ve made it almost impossible for a Republican to win because of cheating, because they cheated like nobody’s ever cheated before,” the president added.
President Trump also called Raffensperger out for illegal acts taking place in Fulton County, where ballots are reportedly being shredded before they can be examined.
“I think you’re going to find that they are shredding ballots because they have to get rid of the ballots because the ballots are unsigned. The ballots are corrupt, and they’re brand new, and they don’t have seals, and there’s a whole thing with the ballots. But the ballots are corrupt,” Trump said.
And you are going to find that they are — which is totally illegal — it is more illegal for you than it is for them because, you know what they did and you’re not reporting it. That’s a criminal, that’s a criminal offense. And you can’t let that happen. That’s a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer. And that’s a big risk. But they are shredding ballots… And they are removing machinery, and they’re moving it as fast as they can, both of which are criminal finds. And you can’t let it happen, and you are letting it happen… So look, all I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state,” the president added.
President Trump also mentioned that a large batch of military ballots, which usually lean Republican, came in “100 percent for Biden.”
General counsel for the Georgia Secretary of State’s Office Ryan Germany’s response to these serious allegations was a generic statement: “We’re looking into every one of those things that you mentioned.”
Later in the call, White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows wanted to know if Raffensperger would actually do his job and open investigations into the allegations in a timely manner.
“What I’m hopeful for is there some way that we can, we can find some kind of agreement to look at this a little bit more fully?” Meadows asked.
Raffensperger avoided discussing the evidence, claiming that all of the allegations were false and that the election was secure, without providing any data to back up his position.
Georgia-based attorney Kurt Hilbert and President Trump both called out Raffensperger for not providing any internal data about the election that could be used to prove the claims true or false. Hilbert said that he had requested the information several times, but he has been “rebuffed every single time.”
Again refusing to provide specific answers, Germany said: “Well, that’s not the case, sir. There are things that you guys are entitled to get. And there’s things that under law, we are not allowed to give out.”
“Well, under law, you’re not allowed to give faulty election results, okay? You’re not allowed to do that. And that’s what you’ve done. This is a faulty election result,” President Trump replied.
“It sounds like we’ve got two different sides agreeing that we can look at those areas, and I assume that we can do that within the next 24 to 48 hours, to go ahead and get that reconciled so that we can look at the two claims and making sure that we get the access to the secretary of state’s data to either validate or invalidate the claims that have been made. Is that correct?” Mark Meadows said, in an effort to smooth things out between the two sides.
Unfortunately, his attempt at diplomacy was unsuccessful. “No, that’s not what I said. I’m happy to have our lawyers sit down with Kurt and the lawyers on that side and explain to him, hey, here’s, based on what we’ve looked at so far, here’s how we know this is wrong, this is wrong, this is wrong, this is wrong, this is wrong,” Germany responded.
“So what you’re saying, Ryan, let me let me make sure . . . so what you’re saying is you really don’t want to give access to the data. You just want to make another case on why the lawsuit is wrong?” Meadows replied.
“I don’t think we can give access to data that’s protected by law. But we can sit down with them and say —” Germany said.
President Trump interjected: “But you’re allowed to have a phony election? You’re allowed to have a phony election, right?”
From what is heard in the phone call, it appears that there will be no agreement between the president and Raffensperger, and data that could prove or disprove these allegations will not be provided willingly. The Georgia Secretary of State and his allies have decided that they want to sweep allegations under the rug, rather than actually investigating anything.
President Trump tweeted about the phone call, writing: “I spoke to Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger yesterday about Fulton County and voter fraud in Georgia. He was unwilling, or unable, to answer questions such as the ‘ballots under table’ scam, ballot destruction, out of state ‘voters’, dead voters, and more. He has no clue!”
I spoke to Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger yesterday about Fulton County and voter fraud in Georgia. He was unwilling, or unable, to answer questions such as the “ballots under table” scam, ballot destruction, out of state “voters”, dead voters, and more. He has no clue!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 3, 2021
The tone and line of questioning from Mark Meadows and President Trump have led many to speculate that they have more information than they are letting on.
Jim Hoft, from The Gateway Pundit, shared information in a tweet that may corroborate the claims that the Trump administration has evidence of the corruption of Georgia’s election and Georgia’s Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger.
“Report: White House Planning to Refer Brad Raffensperger to Secret Service for Investigation Under the Espionage Act,” Hoft tweeted.
— Jim Hoft (@gatewaypundit) January 4, 2021
Here is the full audio of the leaked phone call: